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| Pyros lvl 19 twink Rogue guide
0 PYRO’S LVL 19 TWINK ROGUE GUIDE Hey guys, and welcome to my long awaited UPGRADED version of my twink guide which I can safely say that it INCLUDES EVERYTHING you need to get for your twink, EVERYTHING to make your twink better and a whole lot of useful information that you can use to improve the way you use your twink. I have had a lot of people suggesting stuff to include in this upgraded version and I have included it all, and I am VERY happy with the result, so I hope this helps you guys make the best possible twink rogue that you can. GOOD LUCK. Note: I will be doing a slight upgrades of the guide about 2 months after WOTLK has come out. PS. Most of the time, when I do warsong gulch, I have people asking me where they can get the Arena Grand Master and Throat Piercers, well this guide will tell you how to get it instead of me taking about 5 minutes explaining to you while I am trying to kill other twinks, so I hope this helps you guys out. ARMOR LIST: Head: There are 3 rare fish that can be caught, they are called “Brownell's Blue Striped Racer” (used to get Nat Pagle's Extreme Anglin' Boots), “Dezian Queenfish” (used to get High Test Eternium Fishing Line, increase’s fishing skill by 5), and “Keefer's Angelfish” (used to get Lucky Fishing Hat) And when you get one, you can trade them in to the robot in booty bay (look for the repeatable quest sign to find him). Once you get the right fish, trade it in to the robot to get the Lucky Fishing hat. Now you think that would be easy right? Will you would be wrong because you guys should know that STV is basically GANK LAND on a PVP sever. This means, that there are going to be a lot of people around which could and most of the time, will kill you and camp you. I’ve done this fishing competition a couple of times and I try to just keep away from the horde and they usually leave you alone, it could help if you had someone to protect you in STV cause the beasts would kill you (they range from lvl 30 to 40). Green Tinted Goggles Neck: Scout's Medallion Shoulders: Back: Glowing Lizardscale Cloak Chest: Tunic of Westfall - Alliance only Bracers: Wrangler's Wristbands Hands: Scouting Gloves Waist: Belt of the Fang Blackened Defias Belt Legs: Scouting Trousers of the Monkey Important info: Now this is where you can turn your twink into a uber twink with the help of Nethercleft Leg Armor or Nethercobra Leg Armor. Get a leather worker to make you Dark Leather Pants (or you can buy them from the AH for peanuts) or buy a “scouting pants of the monkey” for about 15g to 40g and buy a Nethercleft Leg Armor or Nethercobra Leg Armor from AH for about 300g to 400g and make sure you don’t equip the legs yet since you cant put the leg armor kits on soulbound items. Make sure you have your legs and the leg amour kit that you have chosen and send them to a +60 friend of yours to apply it to your legs and then get them sent back to your twink. Note, you can’t apply Leg Armor to your legs in trade and you can’t put Leg Armor’s on SOULBOUND items because you can’t send them to your higher lvl character. If you don’t have the gold for Nethercleft Leg Armor or Nethercobra Leg Armor then get Leggings of the Fang which are the next best thing. Another option is Cobrahide Leg Armor or Clefthide Leg Armor (which you can buy for 50g to 120g on AH), depending on your play style. Feet: Nat Pagle's Extreme Anglin' Boots Footpads of the Fang Ring 1: Seal of Sylvanas - Horde only Finger 2: Legionnaire's Band - Horde only Trinket 1: You will need about a 4 lvl 70’s to absolutely guarantee that your twink will get the chest. Every time you open the chest you will get one of these , Arena Master, to get Arena Grand Master you need to get 12 Arena Master’s and trade them in to the goblin in the arena to get it. The quest to get it is repeatable but I wouldn’t recommend getting 2 Arena Grand Master since it will take too long to get them all. Some severs are easier than others to get the chest in Gurubashi Arena. Minor Recombobulator Trinket 2: Insignia of the horde Horde Only WEAPONS LIST: Daggers: Sentinel's Blade - Alliance only Scout’s blade - Horde Only Tail spike Swords and Maces: Cruel Barb Shadowfang If you want to get Shadowfang, you better off checking the AH everyday and hoping that it might pop up. But keep in mind, you could be waiting a while. I have spoken to people who have waited over 2 years just to get the shadowfang. But if you get it, you will notice the extra damage you will do. Shadowfang costs about 350g to 5000g on the AH, so make sure you save up. Skeletal Club Protector's Sword Alliance only Legionnaire's Sword Horde Only WEAPON SET UPS: Offhand:Now for offhands, you need to have a fast offhand like a dagger or fast sword or mace. The main purpose of a OF is to interrupt casters. There has been a lot of talk from people saying that “Thief’s blade” is the best offhand, but I beg to differ. It’s about tied for best offhand, the other offhand is “Sentinel's Blade” or “Scout’s blade”. All these 3 weapons do exactly the same damage and dps. The only thing that is different between the them is that thief’s blade gives a extra 3 agi more than Sentinel's Blade or Scout’s blade but these daggers make up for it with the extra 3 stam. You just have to decide which stat u want more. Also Thief’s blade doesn’t require and honor or marks to get, just a VC run or 2, so it is easier to get but the damage for these weapons are the same, so it doesn’t matter which one you really pick in the end. The only enchant you should have on it is +15 agility, nothing else. You shouldn’t have a proc enchant like firey or crusader because the offhand has a decrease in chance to hit compared to the main hand, making it less of a chance to proc, also the faster weapon speed decreases the chance for the proc effect to proc In the first place. You can use a slow hard hitting sword or mace in your offhand, I think it owns more in my opinion. If you decided you want to use a slow OF, well you will do as much damage as you would with a fast OF, it just means you won’t be able to interrupt casters as much as you would with a fast OF. Mainhand: The best MH by far is shadowfang but sadly, it is really hard to get, so the next best thing is Cruel Barb. You should also have a dagger which you would use only to do Ambush or backstab and then swap your dagger with you sword or mace when you have done your backstab of ambush. Never use a dagger to do sinister strike, you should only use a hard hitting weapon for sinister strike, like shadowfang or Cruel Barb. Sinister strike is meant to be used by swords or maces, never daggers. Sinister strike makes you instantly hit with your MH weapon and with a bit of increased damage, if you have a slow hard hitting weapon in your MH like Cruel Barb, you will do a lot more damage from using sinister strike than you would have from using a dagger. Lvl 19 twink Rogues duel wielding daggers FAIL. A rogue with a Cruel Barb in his MH that is half twinked with just About 1k HP can easily own a rogue who is fully twinked at 1.6k HP who always uses a dagger in his MH. Only use a Dagger to do ambush and use the Macro below to swap your dagger with your uber sword or mace. Macro to swap your MH with you’re OF: Ranged: Thick Bronze Darts Hand of Argus Crossfire - Alliance only ENCHANT LIST: Head: +100 hp: Lesser Arcanum of Constitution Black Diamond Libram of Constitution Lung Juice Cocktail 4 Night Dragon's Breath Once you have got all of these, go to burning steps and speak to Mathredis Firestar, he can be found at 65.1, 23.6. Get the quest Libram of Constitution and since you have all four items, you should be able to complete it straight away and get the “Lesser Arcanum of Constitution”. +8 agility: Lesser Arcanum of Voracity Black Diamond Libram of Voracity 4 Whipper Root Tuber 4 Crystal Force Here is where the eastern crystal pylon is found.
Once you have got all of these, go to burning steps and speak to Mathredis Firestar, he can be found at 65.1, 23.6. Get the quest “Libram of Voracity” and since you have all four items, you should be able to complete it straight away and get the “Lesser Arcanum of Voracity”. Here is a image from thottbot where it shows you where all the Whipper Root Tuber, Night Dragon's Breath are in felwood. Cloak: Chest: Legs: Bracers: Gloves: Boots: Boar's Speed Cat's Swiftness WEAPON ENCHNATS: Crusader 15 Agility Icy Fiery Buffs, pots and useful items: Thistle Tea Rumsey Rum Black Label Elixir of Lesser Agility Elixir of Defense Elixir of Giant Growth Scroll of Protection II Scroll of Strength Scroll of Agility Healing Potion Swiftness Potion Heavy Weightstone Heavy Sharpening Stone Buffs from players: Power Word: Fortitude (rank 2) Power Word: Fortitude (rank 3) Dampen Magic Mark of the Wild (rank 2) Mark of the Wild (rank 3) Thorns (rank 2) Thorns (rank 3) Blessing of Kings Blessing of Might (rank 2) Blessing of Might (rank 3) Talent tree: These are the specs for woltk. Sub spec: Hybrid spec: Dual welding sword and mace spec: Ambush backstab spec: ROGUE STRATEGY’S: Flag runner: If you can get the chest and use sprint and the potion when you run out of your last speed increase, you can get back to your base with most of the other faction not being able to touch you. I have done this strategy a lot and it works. If you don’t have the chest or a potion then just use your sprint when you can start to see the other faction getting too close for comfort. Also if it looks like you are going to die, pop your arena grandmaster and hope that you can get away from the other faction before the bubble wears off or you hope that your faction helps you out with heals and killing off the other faction. Dual welding sword or mace rogue: Once you have done that, start spamming sinister strike on you target to accumulate combo points. As soon as you get 5 combo points, use Eviscerate, the +15% from your spec should help out a bit. And just keep on repeating till the target is dead. You can also use gouge if you are attacking a rogue that you can’t seem to hit that well. If you can gouge him, come up behind him and then start attacking him. If you attack him from behind, he can’t dodge or parry your attack. This helps you grantee that you will hit him. This is very good against a rogue who has evasion on him. Dual welding dagger rogue: Hybrid: THANK YOU FOR READING MY GUIDE, I HOPE THIS HAS HELPED YOU ON YOUR PATH TO MAKE A UBER TWINK. HAPPY TWINKING EVERYONE Special thanks to Azurath, Rosenrot, Unknownhunta, Hadowmelt, Kaeta, Ansome, and Kiladon for there help with getting the chest in STV so I could get my Arena Grand Master, THANKS HEAPS GUYS, I couldn’t have done it with out you guys. Main: Pyropro, lvl 70 hunter on dreadmaul Check out my 19 twink hunter Guide: http://www.wow-pro.com/general_guides/hunter Also Check out my LVL 19 twink Mage/warlock and priest guide: http://www.wow-pro.com/general_guides/19_mage/warlock/priest_twink_guide_0 IF THERE ARE ANY MISTAKES IN THIS GUIDE, OR IF I HAVE GOTTEN SOME OF MY INFORMATION WRONG, PLZ POST A COMMENT SO I CAN FIX IT, THANK YOU.
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obsolete?
Is this guide pretty much obsolete now? you cant use the item enchantments anymore because it binds the item to the enchanter. so what is a little twink to do? most of this guide is wasted on information you cant use anymore. please update!
Yes, as of right now (3.2.x)
Yes, as of right now (3.2.x) this guide is outdated.
Gear is pretty close - legs/OH aren't BiS. BoA's are missing.
A couple quick thoughts on gear:
-You'll need to watch your hit rating if you don't have the BoA shoulders - ie., use Spidersilk Drape + Deviate Scale Belt + Simple Pearl Ring to reach the cap.
-BiS MH/OH is SF/SF with Fiery on each right now. Without SF, you'd want something like CB/Something with Fiery on each.
The enchants section is outdated (Bliz's fault for new patches - not the author's by any means). Without going into too many details, while a twink needs multiple sets of MH/OH weapons, they can get by with one set enchanted Fiery/Fiery. Right now at level 19 Fiery > all for rogue twinks. 15 Agi and LS make good situational switches, but Fiery ftw.
Talents are outdated also thanks to Bliz.
It's a great guide but sadly the new patches have dated it considerably.
STR vs AP
I am still learning the game as I have only been playing since after the BC exp. So correct me if I am wrong on this.
I started reading your guide, and found it to contain good well-thought info, however a comment you made stuck out to me when talking about the Strength and Attack Power buff from the Blackened Defias Belt. You said:
"Blackened Defias Belt
Blackened Defias Belt drops from captain greenskin in Deadmines (VC) but you can also buy it from the AH for about 5g to 20g. And if you guys don’t know, 1 strength = 1 attack power, so Blackened Defias Belt pretty much gives you 18 strength."
From the knowledge that I have, yes STR increases AP but not anywhere I've seen does AP increase STR, so to say "1 strength = 1 attack power, so Blackened Defias Belt pretty much gives you 18 strength" is kind of misleading. Unless what you meant to say was "pretty much gives you 18 attack power.", or perhaps I am still a n00b.
EDIT: I also noticed another possile error when you talked about the Insignia Trinkets. Both of these trinkets you have linked are for the warrior class, or so it says when I hover over the link. If these two are in fact for warriors only, are there trinkets for rogues? Was it a mis-link? I am assuming so given that every class has "class-specific" gear you can buy from BG vendors.
Trinket 2: Insignia of the Alliance- Alliance Only This can be bought from a vendor in the Champions hall which can be found in Old town in Stormwind. It will cost you 2805 honor which takes a while to accumulate.
Insignia of the Horde- Horde Only
This can be bought from a vendor in the Hall of legends which can be found in Orgrimmar. It will cost you 2805 honor which takes a while to accumulate.
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@ Drifteros...
You are right with your Str Vs. AP arguement - 1 Str does indeed give 1 AP and 1 AP is just 1 AP, no extra strength. It is worthy to note though that the only benefit a Rogue gets from Str is AP. That's it. So in theory, the belt gives the same end result as 18 Str, but in the form of 9 Str (giving 9 AP) and another raw 9 AP bonus.
As a Rogue, you would benefit ALOT more from taking Agi over Str. If I'm not mistaken, Agi gives twice the AP bonus as Str, as well as Dodge, Armor, and Crit Chance. But even if the AP bonuses were the same, Agi > Str all the time.
When it comes to deciding say whether you wanna take a piece of gear that has 5 Str and 5 AP, or a piece that just gives 10 Str, both pieces would give the same 10 AP bonus to a Rogue, but go for the 10 Str item - Str stacks with Blessing of Kings from a Paladin, AP doesn't. Therefore unbuffed you would still have the 10 AP off either, with BoK you would have more of an AP boost with the strength item as raw AP doesn't get buffed by BoK.
In summary, Agi > Str tenfold, and always take stats over raw bonuses.
As for the insignias, every class has their own specific one, yet they all do exactly the same function. So the Rogue one would be exactly the same to the one above.
@ Pyro...
Maybe fix the Insignia link as said above? Would purely make it easier to understand that's all. And perhaps maybe not use so many caps within the guide. Apart from that, it's a great guide, job well done!
On another note thoough, I'm not sure if your still active on here (maybe a mod could clarify) and I know that there are a few changes coming in 3.1 that will afect twinks majorly. If you'd like I can help with the remake of the guide, or alterations due to the patch (however you'd like to put it lol). I used to play a twink Rogue myself up until a couple of months before WotLK (stopped due to rerolling servers) and I'm gonna be starting one again soon so I have the experience.
Hope this helps everyone.
- Skumball
P.S. Drifteros, might be an idea to edit your comment and close you last BOLD tag as it's attacked everyone elses below hehe
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weps
can someone tell me whats the best weps for a twink
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Err, it's in the guide, read
Err, it's in the guide, read it
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I like the revamped version
I like the revamped version a lot more!
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IMPROVING GUIDE
Hey everyone. been loving all your surport in game for my guides, thanx heaps. With in the next month, I will be redoing all my twink guides. I will be adding some more seations, like buffs etc and i will be linking all the gear so it will be alot easyer to compare. AND IT WILL BE MORE COULFUL AS WELL
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It would be really nice if
It would be really nice if you could add some colors here and there as well as making every new category in bold letters.
Like:
Head: bla bla bla
Shoulders: bla bla bla
Etc etc. Because right now, it's kinda painful to read through
enchants and weapons
You forgot to add wat enchants should be used, for a rogue i recommend +15 agility on a thiefs blade (7 agil on the weapon + the 15 agil from enchant for a major boost in damage, dodge and crit) also thiefs blade is probably the best off hand sword to use because it has very fast attack speed and pretty good dmg.
for main hand, if money is not an issue, also get +15 agility enchant and depending what kind of rogue you will be (sword/combat, or dagger/ambush) you would want to put it on a cruel barb, shadowfang, or the mace from WC (forgot the name) shadowfang being the best choice here but good luck on that. for daggers get the sentinels blade ( or scouts, same thing) from PVP vendor, it has nearly as much DPS as assasins blade but it is very easy to get and costs no gold, has nearly the same stats as well. But, if you cant affor the +15 agility enchant (upwards of 150g depending on prices) go for lifetealing enchant on mainhand. it is a VERY useful enchant because it heals you when you hit someone and has a very good proc rate, this enchant has saved my life countless times in battle against very tough, and usually mutiple enemies at the same time. this enchant isnt really cheap but it is alot cheaper then +15 agil, i got each of mine for about 80g.
In my opinion, one of he best setups for weapons is to have a powerful main hand like cruel barb with lifesteal enchant, then a thiefs blade in the OH with +15 agility on it. this works wonders because in the main hand, the lifesteal enchant procs a lot. i never recommend putting a slow weapon in the off hand like cruel barb unless you have an eqaully powerful and same speed in the main hand. check out my twink, maybe we will play sometime [Wildhammer server] Sneakattackx trying to get the fishing hat, need to level my fishing more though so i can
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Good Job. One thing though...
Great job on the guide. There is one thing, however. If this is a lvl 19 twink rogue guide, how come you put a list of 2H items? Besides that, WTG!