10 tips for beginner raiders - revamp

Greetings, good Job with this guide. I'm a newbee for any instance raid 10/25. I'm looking at your recommendations even with my epic armor fillup with gems and enchants still short of your ratings as a DPS.This a stat of my toon:
Blood Spec
AP- 3119
Crit% - 18.37
Hit Rating-263

WowArmory url: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Eonar&cn=Tobimenner

I need to know it is enought and/or what I need to know or search for to be a better DPS.

Thz

ps. sorry my bad english

for some weird reason i can never see a full spec, i can only up to like level 65

With the changes in 3.1 (mainly the addition of Black Arrow and the corresponding changes to some of the lower tree talents like Lock and Load and Trap Mastery), here is the base spec for a Survival Hunter looking to raid:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#cZ0eVooZt0ci0cIhehu0su:0NAMz

There are 5 points left open for customization (I prefer to put them into Efficiency to enable me to stay out of Aspect of the Viper longer). You can also finish out Master Tactician as a good alternative, or (if you are not hit capped yet) Focused Aim.

540 defense rating is far to low. You need 540 defense skill to be uncruttable by bosses (which is 690 defense rating if i remember right). With 1500 dps you cant kill Loatheb, Patchwerk, Thaddius, it might not even be enough for the Gargoyles. And as a DPS, AP, crit or hit doesn't matter, it's the dps that they can put out, for example choose a 2500 AP rogue with 2K dps over a 3000 AP rogue with 1800 dps.

Rogue
Rogues deal out decent DPS as single target. You got no buffs but are still welcome in raids. They go best as assissination with 2 daggers.

They deal "decent DPS" and "no buffs" You might as well say they are fillers when nobody else wants to come!

The current best DPS build for hunters is 6/14/51 (note that the point in hunting party can be moved to expose weakness if you already have a replenishment provider in your raid). Also, best DPS pet is the raptor.

Source: http://elitistjerks.com/f74/t42519-best_possible_dps_shandaras_wotlk_spreadsheet/

First i'd like to say great job at attempting this. It is always tough to summarize raid composition and strengths and weaknesses of each class. No matter how long you've played the classes change so dramatically with each expansion and even patches its hard to keep abreast of everything so I commend you for trying.

Couple points of Shamans. Heroism/Bloodlust increases cast speed of everyone by 30%. Not damage done. Big difference. Also, heroism is more beneficial to some classes than others. Most melee classes for instance receive much more of a buff from it than the largely instant cast dependent survival hunter. Stormstrike does not reduce the armor on the target, it merely increases the damage done to the target for the next 2, or 4 with talents, nature spells. Enhancement shaman brings totems specialized for DPS and utility thanks to instant cast heals every few seconds if needed in a pinch. Not sure if I agree on the powerful but slow analogy to Resto but i'll leave it alone Also Saph is much more of a Druid fight, the best example of a Shammy fight in WoTLK so far would be Malygos, especially in phase 2.

Also, for DPS looking to raid, probably the most important stat is your various hit caps. It varies by class and race what number you need. For melee expertise is also very important until capped. Should be the #1 goal of any DPS when it comes to gems/enchants and gear to hit your goals for these numbers ASAP. Doesn't mean other things aren't important but not as important often times. Know what the weights are for each of your stats by researching and keep a spreadsheet to see the relevant values of each piece of gear.

I personally find your spec for the Warrior Prot tree somewhat, not to my taste lol can't think how else to put it.

I prefer the Impale build.

This is what I'm going to use at 80.

Here are the main differences between your spec and this one:

Prot Tree:

Puncture - With the changes that 3.0 brought to Sunder Armor and Devastate they are no longer one of the main sources of your tps, and should only really be used when you have a GCD going to waste. It is obviously good for the DPS to have the extra armor reduction and yes it does give you more tps with a fully stacked debuff on the target, but with these abilities becoming more redundant, I personally don't think that 3 points in this talent is justified. Cost 3 less rage? IMO not worth it at all.

Yes I know 3.1 brings a massive boost to the debuff applied, but I still don't think 3 points justifies these abilities costing 3 less rage.

Vigilance - Nothing special imo. Only spec into this if your in a regular raid group and you find your, or a particular, DPS getting to over-cocky and getting too close to your threat level for comfort.

Improved Defensive Stance - I think this is very worth it. 6% less spell damage? Enrage on any Block, Dodge, or Parry? This is a very good talent imo, I even use it in my leveling spec and love it's use.

Fury Tree:

Only talent worthy of mention imo is Armored to the Teeth, but I wouldn't spec into this talent until level 70+ or you won't really notice the difference. Obviously it scales with gear and just gets better the futher you go. Include this in ANY Warrior build (as you also have).

The only other talent here worth anything is Cruelty. But this isn't the best talent to make sure you max out for a Tank. This to me is the talent where you take points from if you need them elsewhere (Vigilance for example). It is a good talent, but not strong enough to make it a priority imo. Talent for leftover points at the end.

Arms Tree:

Improved Heroic Strike/ Iron Will - Filler talent only, use it to get access to Impale. If you don't feel wasting 3 points on reducing Heroic Strike's rage cost by 3, spec into Iron Will instead.

Improved Charge - Filler talent for getting to Impale, but a good one. With Warbringer from the Prot tree, this provides a very useful supply of rage at the start of a fight. Important filler talent.

Impale - Now the good bit. +20% Critical Strike Damage bonus? More tps! Some people might argue that this isn't worth it, but you will see it's benefits. Alot.

Optional - Deep Wounds - This is an optional talent, some people like it, others don't. I'm personally undecided with it. It gives a free Bleed debuff on the target after a Crit, giving more tps again. Needs a slow, high damage weapon to make full use of it though. Take either this or Cruelty as your end filler talent, down to personal preference.

-Skumball

They bring some added value to the raid. Wich can be quite nice.
Curse of weakness ( being buffed )
Is a curse on target that will reduce attack power and after 3.1 also reduce armor of target.
Curse of tongues, slow down casting, tough most bosses are immune to this.
Curse of elements, increase all elemental damage done to a target.
( especially usefull with a few elemental dpssers, mages, shadowpriest etcetera )
and some extra curses and debuffs wich help damage dealing and protecting raiders.
( only 1 curse at a time per target per lock tough )

Imp and fellhunter pet bonus to the raid. Imp : gives fire resistance and a small fire shield, when target gets hit, it will do some dded fire damage. Great to help tank in fire fights. Also some extra health for all party members.
Fellhunter, gives extra 48 intel and 64 spirit.

and a blueberry that can off tank nicely

Double post, will make a more useful post of this one later

Okay, I'll take the hunter class;

First of all, this is the best dps spec available at the moment, not the one you linked. With this spec, you'll want to get haste capped (which is 15.94%), and Hit capped (which is what every class needs, for raiding (FYI it's 263 or 8% without Focused Aim)).

Attributes: Hit > Agility > AP > Intellect > Haste > Crit (Keep in mind you still want to reach the Caps/soft caps with the attributes)

Glyphs: Steady, Serpent Sting, AotH

Gemming: Agility.

Pet: Raptor/Cat. Raptor is a bit better, though.

EDIT: Rotation: Explosive > Aimed > Steady. While keeping up Serpent Sting and Hunter's Mark.

***I got my information from this post on Wowhead.

Hello,

Maybe you can add links to the various guide we have on this site, like Sapy's Guide to Resto Shaman Healing, this would make the site even more useful. The talent links in this guide are also a bit... meh, it just doesn't feel right with no links to the guides here.

Imo.

~Trollvink

Hi, great tips. You could add (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0EZGxxthebohoVosx0g) for a death knight tanking spec. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that this is the regular, especially for lower gear levels.

Mage can also have arcane spec and its a way better now in some situations.

Hello! Before I go off on things that should be fixed/improved, I'll first say that this is an excellent idea for a guide and a good start. That said....

1. Formatting. I would love to see a table of contents and a bit more consistency with your titles. There are also some errors in your code somewhere, I see some BBCode showing through. Everything is lined up on the left and it makes it a little hard to read, I recommend playing around using [ list ] tags to indent blocks of text. Also there are a few spelling/grammar errors, run it through a spellchecker.
2. Gear.
   • You list 20%-25% crit for spellcasters, both DPS and healer. This really depends on class. My druid only has crit on her gear at all because it's what happened to be on there - she would much prefer haste, or just spellpower/mp5. On the other hand, a pally healer needs a buttload of crit. So I think it's misleading to give a flat number with no discussion. Because a healer druid may see that and pass up other vital stats in order to get "enough" crit (this is just an example).
   • For DPS, I think it's probably most useful to just have them test their DPS on a heroic boss. They need to be able to put out *at least* 1500 DPS, or you are not going to be able to down Loatheb. Trust me, I know from experience. This sort of a requirement bypasses all the questions about attack power/hit/crit/whatever which is different for every class.
   • Hit. This *absolutely* needs to be mentioned, too many PvP junkies try coming to raids with zero hit rating. Hit rating is pretty much needed for ALL DPS classes, at least to some extent. Duel wield classes need this the most. Some classes need to be capped, some don't. A little info about this would be really good to have, since I know a lot of people don't even know what the hit cap is for their class (I see questions in gchat all the time about this).
3. Raid Composition.
   • 3 healers? Nice, but *definitely* not required. Between 2 and 3 is fine, and I think most groups actually do 2. I've done both and liked both, it doesn't really matter.
   • Note group make-up for Gluth. This puppy needs some crowd control, so a mage or hunter is pretty much required. It's also nice to have another plate class that can tank in the back while the two normal tanks are on the boss.
   • One person to dispel the enrage on Gluth is also needed (read: hunter or rogue)
   • You also need at least one person with de-curse ability, such as a mage or druid.
4. Addons.
   • Grid is definitely NOT the only healing mod! There is also Healbot, which is more common from what I understand, and also Clique.
   • DBM is not the only raid warning mod, a lot of folks (myself included) use Bigwigs. They are really about the same from what I understand, I was just in a guild in the past that required Bigwigs which is why I use it instead.
   • Omen is vital for DPS and Tanks, but healers don't need it at all (what are we gonna do, stop healing? )
5. How-To Videos. The ones you linked work, but I really *highly* recommend watching the Tankspot videos instead. They are *very* high quality and have a guy talking over them to explain as opposed to making you read it while you are trying to watch the fight. Really, they kick total butt, I would definitely recommend linking them instead. You can find them here.

I know this is a lot of stuff, but this is a subject I know a LOT about Let me know if you need any help with this guide, I'd be glad to help out!