Do you think WoW-Pro should work like wiki?

Snowflake's picture
Yes.
49% (42 votes)
No.
51% (43 votes)
Total votes: 85

Comments

lunargecko's picture

Suggestion

Um, we could sort of make it a wiki, but put the original author in charge of the guide they started. If a person changes the guide in a way the author does not like, we could have a feature that allows the author to ban that person from changing their guide in the future, or have the author approve the changes (this should only take them like 5 minutes to look over the stuff, not that much time) before they become live on the website. If the author isn't online for a few months or so, or if there's a whole lot of changes the author isn't looking over, you could always change the author somehow. :0
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Snowflake's picture

I think I should also

I think I should also explain why I put up this poll. We have several issues at the moment that need to be addressed (as soon as the new theme is done) and we aren't exactly sure how to go about it.

  • Abandoned guides: It happens quite often that people have good ideas, start out by setting up the framework for their guides, write together half of the text and then the work in progress is abandoned. Wiki functionality could help by offering interested individuals the possibility to continue these abandoned guides. Of course the disadvantage is that certain authors (Jame is one of them btw) do not wish their guides to be edited by anyone. This is why we'd probably need a system which would allow us to turn abandoned guides into wiki pages after a certain time.

  • BBCode vs. Mediawiki syntax: BBCode is a simplified input format that lets people implement basic html elements like bold, italic or font size. The disadvantage of this code is that it has been developed for bulletin boards a.k.a. short messages and comments. Meaning that BBCode is not necessarily optimal for formatting longer articles and guides as it lacks options like headers, redirects, templates, etc. Mediawiki seems to be more adapted to guide writing as it lets you implement sophisticated text/article formatting with just a few simple signs. Also people seem to be familiar with this syntax from Wikipedia and even if they are not, it's very easy to learn.

  • Projects aren't being used: Many people actually know that they alone cannot invest enough free time to start and fully develop more complicated guides like "Best items out of raid for every class". This is why we've introduced the project system as an alternative to guide pages. Unfortunately the system seems to be too complicated and by the author of the module's own admission, it is rather fit for code work than collaborative publishing. Wiki pages as alternative to guide pages could be a solution here.

  • Too much of the same, not enough elsewhere: At the moment people are creating the same type of guides over and over. It might be that they simply want to improve someone else's guide, or that they wish to cover certain aspects that weren't mentioned previously, or that they actually just wish to contribute something so they choose the same "easy to cover"-topics like "1-6 Guide to Durotar" (Instead Blood Elf and Draenei starting guides are needed much more for example). The problem is that new people that come to the site are overwhelmed by the sheer choice of guides for the same topic and some of these articles are barely a paragraph long and have been abandoned since half a year. So their first impression is like "wow useless" and they move on. Other topics have never been covered by guides at all, however I do understand why this is the case, it is simply too difficult to find out what is truly
    needed
    . And we do need some sort of system for that.

  • Book hierarchy: At the start we chose the book hierarchy as classification for submitted guides because we thought it would be useful to be able to gather info in books which could be printed and where everyone could add a page if needed. Unfortunately when someone creates a guide, they are forced to choose a single parent book/page in the tree hierarchy as the category for their guide. However a guide can sometimes have several categories like "Rogue Leveling Guide". That is a Class Guide as well as a Leveling Guide, so where to put it? This is why it would be interesting to look into a different system of classification with tags for example. Unfortunately the current books cannot be transformed into a different content type.

If you have any ideas, please don't hesitate to leave a comment.

-Snowflake
WoW-Pro Admin

-Snowflake
WoW-Pro Admin

Idea...

I was thinking and I had a thought (It happens). People like me can't make a full blown guide due to an obvious lack of time, brain power, and french onion dip. But I would love to help, if only I knew how. If only I had an easily accessible means.

What if, in addition to comments you had suggestions. A side system for directly indicating what would benefit the guide. Where the author can look an see, "Hey, I've got 3 suggestions for this quest maybe I overlooked it the first time". Just a way of separating the love/hate mail from the business mail for authors. Hopefully encouraging authors and the community to be more active in great guide creation. Granted I'm not sure how hard that would be to create, but it might work like this.

I want to add a quest, I go to "Add Suggestion".
A comment-like page comes up with a dropdown box Suggest:[Quest/Error/Hint/Other] , a line for Subject and a spot for the Suggestion.
I pick [Quest], type [00] Magic dust?, and suggest why this quest would be a great addition.

This would let authors look at possible fixs and additions without having to sort through all the "Thanks for this great guide!" and "Go WoW-Pro!" comments.

Maybe? Puzzled

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Snowflake's picture

Good idea actually... just

Good idea actually... just not entirely sure how to implement it. The contact form is the first thing coming to mind but it would indeed be a huge help if the make a suggestion link would be on the same page as the link.

-Snowflake
WoW-Pro Admin

-Snowflake
WoW-Pro Admin

no!

Although there might be quite good reasons for it (abandoned guides etc), I don't like the idea of people adding stuff to my guide.

I put a lot of work into it (I'm a freakin' perfectionist, posting it soon) and I don't want people to change parts like they think it's better.
I like the way it is. People post comments to improve the guide, the author tests and changes it if he thinks it fits into his guide.

Snowflake's picture

Quote:People post comments

Quote:
People post comments to improve the guide, the author tests and changes it if he thinks it fits into his guide.

Another problem is that after authors finish their guides, they sometimes do not have the time to come back and add necessary updates/changes.

-Snowflake
WoW-Pro Admin

-Snowflake
WoW-Pro Admin

No. I prefer things the way

No.

I prefer things the way they are.

No particular reason. Just do.

daromeo's picture

solution

Many people start out guide writing just because they want to contribute to something important, and they want to be the author of it. Without realizing it, they make something, often on a subject thats already covered much better by a professional (lets say a guide 1-10 for NE). yes they read the current guide, and think they have a few better points, but instead of being able to revise the other guide, they make their own complete one. I think to sort all this mess, people could submit the guides, but to post them the admin has to check it out, make comments, and then once its revised post it themselves.
Guides do need to be updated once in a while, some guides need to be updated constantly if they're one of a kind (lets say how to get a netherdrake). tons of guides out there like: 1-10, 1-12, 1-14, those all cover same stuff, except each one goes to like 1 lvl difference. instead, we need 1 compile of be techniques put together, and make a compile for 1-10 (each starting area), then 10-20, 20-30 (then james is probably the best i think). i am working on compile right now, which i have level over 10 characters past lvl 40, and got 5 lvl 70s,. so i know both powerlvling and fun.
visitors should mainly see the main compiles, and then there shold be a link to "Browse user submitted guides", kind of like this

# Leveling guides
### alliance lvling guides
#### 1-10
###### human
###### gnome
###### night elf
#### 10-20
###### human
###### night elf
###### gnome
#### 20-30
### horde
#### 1-10
###### etc

get the point? this tree would make a lot more sence then having bunch of guides with different names and differen levels, where people see 10 guides that say 1-12, 1-14, 1-12, and dont know which one is better.

Daelas - 70 Warlock

Daelas - 70 Warlock