Jame's Leveling Guide TourGuide style: List of Works in Progress

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This wiki page will help us track who has volunteered to help translate sections of Jame's Leveling Guides into TourGuide Format, so that we can finally publish an addon that will enable people following Jame's Guide to do so without alt-tabbing.

If you wish to translate a section of the guide, please read through this list and find a section that you would like to contribute, being careful to select something that you will be able to test yourself and has not already been volunteered by someone else.


What has already been done

Alliance - Updated to v0.5 - 15/02/2009

  • Maw's Human Guide (1-12) | Jame | Quality: 100%
  • Snowflake's Draenei Guide (1-12) | Kinrah | Needs Improvements
  • Boston's Gnome/Dwarf Guide (1-12) | Ayajulia | Needs Testing
  • Joan's Human Guide (1-12) | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Maw's Leveling Guide (12-20) | Jame | Quality: 100% - New
  • Boston's Leveling Guide (12-20) | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Boston's Leveling Guide (20-30) | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Alliance Leveling Guide (30-40) | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Alliance Leveling Guide (40-50) | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Alliance Leveling Guide (50-60) | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Jame's - Hellfire Penninsula | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Jame's - Zangarmarsh | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Jame's - Terokkar | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Jame's - Nagrand | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Jame's - Blade's Edge Mountains | Nuzz | Needs Testing
  • Jame's - Borean Tundra | Wizerd | Needs Testing
  • Jame's - Howling Fjord | Wizerd | Needs Testing - New
  • Jame's - Grizzly Hills | Laotseu | Needs Testing

Horde - Updated to v0.3 - 18/02/2009

  • Zerinj's Orc/Troll Starter (1-12) | Clearasil | Quality 100% New
  • Snowflake's Blood Elf Starter (1-12) | Inyurbak | Needs Testing New
  • Manovan's Undead Starter (1-12) | Romgar | Needs Testing New
  • SilverKnight's Silverpine (12-20) | Clearasil | Needs Testing New
  • Hosho's Barrens (12-20) | Clearasil | Needs Testing New
  • Jame's 31-41 | Clearasil | Needs Testing New
  • Jame's 41-51 | Plover2| Needs Testing New
  • Snowflake's Ghostlands Guide (13-21) | Black Cat | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Horde Leveling Guide (21-31) | Black Cat | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Horde Leveling Guide - Hellfire Peninsula | Black Cat | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Horde Leveling Guide - Zangarmarsh | Black Cat | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Horde Leveling Guide - Terokkar Forest | Black Cat | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Horde Leveling Guide - Nagrand | Black Cat | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Horde Leveling Guide - Howling Fjord (70-71) | Black Cat | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Horde Leveling Guide - Borean Tundra (71-73) | Black Cat | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Horde Leveling Guide - Dragonblight (73-75) | Black Cat | Needs Testing
  • Jame's Horde Leveling Guide - Grizzly Hills (75-77) | Black Cat | Needs Testing

As you can see there's still a lot of be done. And most importantly, the sections which have already been released need to be tested and improved if necessary.


How to test those sections?

Installing Externals
Three external files are needed to run this addon.

If you are not familiar with the installation of addons, it can be done as follows:

  1. Download and unzip the addon files.
  2. Navigate to the World of Warcraft directory (by default, it is in C:/Program Files/World of Warcraft)
  3. Open the "Interface" folder, then the "Addons" folder inside it.
  4. Copy and paste the "TourGuide" and "TomTom" folders into the World of Warcraft/Interface/Addons directory.

You can check ingame if you've installed it correctly; when you go to the character selection screen, down the bottom there is a button labelled Addons. Click that, then scroll down and look for TomTom and TourGuide (it's in alphabetical order). Make sure they're enabled.

Author's Note: Vista users may not have a "Interface" folder, instead their Addons folder is inside the "World of Warcraft" folder. Full path should be c:\\Users\Public\Games\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns


Installing the WoW-Pro Guides: Alliance - Updated to v0.3 - 03/02/2009
  1. Download the WoW-Pro_TourGuide_Alliance file and unzip it.
  2. Copy and paste the "WoW-Pro_TourGuide_Alliance" folder into your "World of Warcraft/Interface/Addons/" folder.
  3. Launch wow, and at the character selection screen click on the "Addons" button on the lower-left corner. Make sure that the following 3 addons are activated: TomTom, TourGuide, WoW-Pro Tourguide Alliance and Lightheaded (Lightheaded A,B,C,D,etc as well).


  4. Once in game, click on the TourGuide bar (should be just under your minimap). This will open the "Guides" page. Scroll down to the bottom of the list and you'll see the WoW-Pro Guides:

    Select the guide you want and there you go!


Installing the WoW-Pro Guides: Horde
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Updated to v0.2 - 22/01/2009
  • Download the WoW-Pro_TourGuide_Horde and unzip it
  • Copy and paste the "WoW-Pro_TourGuide_Horde" folder into the "World of Warcraft/Interface/Addons/" folder.
  • Launch wow, and at the character selection screen click on the "Addons" button on the lower-left corner. Make sure that the following 3 addons are activated: TomTom, TourGuide, WoW-Pro Tourguide Horde and Lightheaded (Lightheaded A,B,C,D,etc as well).

  • Once in game, click on the TourGuide bar (should be just under your minimap). This will open the "Guides" page. Scroll down to the bottom of the list and you'll see the WoW-Pro Guides:

    Select the guide you want and there you go!

  • [/]

    That's it, you should now be good to go. For more information on how to use the addon, check this page.


    How To Volunteer to write or improve a section

    -Guide Section Name-

    Add your name and the date you volunteered to the table below, and then, when you are done with your contribution, upload it somewhere and paste the link here. You can put it anywhere you like, but I recommend using the form at the bottom of the edit page of this wiki to add the file as an attachment. You can then link to the file in a similar way to linking images in wow-pro guides, but using URL BBCode tags instead of IMG ones.

    Thanks for contributing!



    Alliance Guides


    Maw's 1-12 Human

    • Volunteer Name: Jame
    • Date Volunteered: 17/01/2009
    • File Location: TBA
    • Note: Can't I have fun too in my free time? ^^

    1-12 Dwarf/Gnome


    1-12 Night Elf


    1-12 Draenei


    12-20 Maw's Guide (Westfall/Redridge)

    • Volunteer Name: Jame
    • Date Volunteered: 20th January 2009
    • File Location: TBA

    12-20 Sven's Guide (Bloodmyst)

    • Volunteer Name:
    • Date Volunteered:
    • File Location: TBA

    12-20 Joan's Guide (Darkshore/Westfall)

    • Volunteer Name:
    • Date Volunteered:
    • File Location: TBA

    20-30 Boston's Guide (Westfall/Redridge)

    • Volunteer Name:

    • Date Volunteered:
    • File Location: TBA

    A_3040.lua



    A_4050.lua


    A_5060.lua

    A_6065.lua

    • Volunteer Name:
    • Date Volunteered:
    • File Location: TBA


    A_6570.lua
    • Volunteer Name:
    • Date Volunteered:
    • File Location: TBA


    A_BoreanTundra.lua
    • Volunteer Name: Raistlan
    • Date Volunteered: 11th Jan 2009
    • File Location: TBA


    A_BoreanTundra.lua


    A_HowlingFjord.lua


    A_Dragonblight.lua
    • Volunteer Name: Raistlan
    • Date Volunteered: 11th Jan 2009
    • File Location: TBA


    74-75_Dragonblight.lua


    A_GrizzlyHills.lua


    A_DeathKnight



    Horde Guides

    1-12 Blood Elf


    1-12 Orc/Troll


    1-12 Undead


    1-12 Tauren

    • Volunteer Name:Yhen

    • Date Volunteered:February 3rd 2009
    • File Location: TBA

    12-20 Barrens


    12-20 Silverpine


    30-40 Jame's Horde Leveling Guide


    40-50 Jame's Horde Leveling Guide


    50-60 Jame's Horde Leveling Guide

    • Volunteer Name: Plover2
    • Date Volunteered: 31st Jan 2009
    • File Location: TBA


    H_DeathKnight.lua

    • Volunteer Name: Gethe
    • Date Volunteered: 5th Jan 2009
    • File Location:TBA


    Comments

    THANK YOU

    To whomever uploaded the Dragonblight.lua... Thank you SOOO much for doing what I felt the previous guides needed and adding in the coords of new quests and quest turn ins that were not at the players current position. I don't know how many times I had to alt-tab out of wow while using the other guides to look up who to pick up a quest from! THANK YOU!!

    Jame's picture

    Hey guys, we no longer use

    Hey guys, we no longer use this page now for works in progress.

    Please post on the new work in progress page from now on.

    12-20 Sven's Guide

    12-20 Sven's Guide (Bloodmyst)

    Volunteer Name: culin23
    Date Volunteered: 2/24/09
    File Location: http://cid-c2a94cba3ad51573.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/001%7C_12%7C_20%7C_Svens%7C_Bloodmyst.lua

    Shinke's Tauren Guide

    Sorry for posting a third time in a row, but i found a solution and i think it might be useful for everyone trying to localize your guides.

    When editing the lua file via windows editor, make sure you save the file as follows:
    Click "Save as", then choose "UTF-8" as coding, which can be chosen underneath the filename and the file type. I hope that helps... at least Jäger now works as class tag... I will leave the localized versions of the Class names in the file, so that people with german client dont have to wait for a german version of the guide but can still use the english ones... If someone tells me the class names (and also the names for the genders) for other localizations i will add these as well...

    Shinke'S Tauren Guide

    Oh, i found yet another issue. The class name for Hunter is Jäger. however Tourguide can't cope with "ä". I will try to work around that.

    Shinke'S Tauren Guide

    Hey, on some site here i posted about doing this guide, but i dont find it anymore, there are too many different pages concerning the addon topic ^^

    anyway, i found out why the |C| Tag didn't work. I play German version, so for Warrior it has to be |C|Warrior,Krieger| to work with both versions. However i played a female shaman and the german class names have been "genderized" so it has to be |C|Shaman,Schamane,Schamanin| X[

    I'm working on part two of the guide now (6-10)

    Jiyambi's picture

    Durotar Guide Revamp

    I just did an in-depth look at the Durotar guide, which Clearasil so kindly coded Smiling I added a ton of coords for different objectives, cleaned some things up, and added all the available class quests. I will continue with the Barrens next.

    My updated version of the Durotar guide can be found here.

    Jiyambi's picture

    Hmmm. I am wondering now if

    Hmmm. I am wondering now if I was really working in parallel when I thought I was working in series. Drat!

    Well, I'll have to look at Clearasil's revision and compare it to what I did when I have time (tomorrow?).

    Clearasil's picture

    Oh thank you I was also

    Oh thank you Smiling I was also going to test the Barrens guide I coded to improve it, but if you're going to do it I'll say away Sticking out tongue

    I also have put in circuits for all the different races (except Blood Elfs... sorry!) and I already noticed some mistakes (Forgot to put the |R|Troll| for example) so some steps might appear twice. So if you see something like that just look at the lines with the race tag behind them.

    Jiyambi's picture

    Yeah, I really didn't mean

    Yeah, I really didn't mean to edit one you were already working on >_< sorry Clearasil.

    I would like to take a look at the Barrens one, I was planning on just plowing through from Durotar to Northrend Sticking out tongue

    For your second comment, which guide are you talking about? So I (or others) know what to look for Smiling

    Clearasil's picture

    About the Barrens guide

    About the Barrens guide Smiling

    Jiyambi's picture

    Awesome, thanks. I'll get to

    Awesome, thanks. I'll get to work on it this week sometime.

    Jahwo's picture

    I think this page needs a

    I think this page needs a makeover. The list at the bottom is pretty unclear in my opinion and the finsihed guides should be removed there.

    We also need some easy way to check on who tests or tested which guide and who is revamping which guide.

    If you guys agree I could try to make it a bit more clear.

    Jahwo's picture

    I thougth about something

    I thougth about something like this:
    http://www.wow-pro.com/wiki/addon_in_progress
    It might be a bit complicated to use for the users themselves because it uses html tables, but if someone maintains it regularly (I would volunteer Eye ), I think it would help to give a clearer view about who's doing what.

    I left away all the works in progress from the list here as they seem to either be finished or outdated...

    Jiyambi's picture

    Its beautiful! However I

    Its beautiful! However I would just combine the works in progress with those already done, if that's possible. That's the problem I had before, looking back and forth between them, and then people uploaded new versions but that was down in the comments zone so I didn't see it right away.

    You could make the name of each guide a link to the most recently uploaded file by the maintainer of that guide (or any other volunteer) and also add the date it was most recently uploaded. So you would just need one more column, a date, on the main tables. The % complete could be added into the status column for unfinished guides.

    Anyway, I definitely like what you have so far. I think all the "how to test the guide" stuff should just be moved to "how to contribute" or the other pages, so this one can be streamlined and more useful to keep track of who is doing what.

    Jahwo's picture

    In fact I don't like

    In fact I don't like splittnig the whole thing into two lists, too. But the problem I see in the way you described it is that no one knows what the other currently does, you'd only know what already has been done.
    After all you just had that problem yourself with Clearsil, didn't you? Eye

    Jiyambi's picture

    Heh good point. But it seems

    Heh good point. But it seems this could be acoomplished by simply noting in the status column when the guide is being worked on. Something like "Undergoing revisions - 60%" or something like that. Or at least, have it listed in the main section like that and have details down below? I'm just not sure. But I think there is still something to be said for listing all the guides in one big table.

    Jahwo's picture

    Hmmmmm Maybe it'd be a good

    Hmmmmm Smiling Maybe it'd be a good idea to not make this a wiki page, but to make it a page maintained by admin and mods (Sticking out tongue) and only allow comments about progress updates. It's just that I fear that everything in one list could cause quite some misunderstandings which makes the list hard to manage.

    Don't know.. I'm just not all convinced.. Eye

    Jiyambi's picture

    I'll leave it up to your

    I'll leave it up to your judgement then Smiling Regardless of exactly how you organize it, the page you are working on is much more efficient than this one, I think you should just put it together here as you see fit, since you have done a lot more thinking and working with it than I have Smiling

    Jahwo's picture

    I'm not so sure about that.

    I'm not so sure about that. ;D
    I think I'll sleep a night over this and maybe I have some genius idea. If not I'll leave it like it is. Smiling

    Clearasil's picture

    Well I'm learning a bit of

    Well I'm learning a bit of HTML at school, so it shouldn't be a problem. But it looks nice Smiling

    Jiyambi's picture

    That would be wonderful,

    That would be wonderful, Jahwo. I was thinking the same thing as well.

    Jame's picture

    It's something that's been

    It's something that's been bothering me too, but I haven't had the time and will to do it. So by all means, give it a try Smiling

    Regarding the Horde 51-60

    Regarding the Horde 51-60 file:

    RL has sucked here lately in how busy it's being, so I don't have time to do the guide up myself, but I just recently leveled my Tauren Druid through the 51-60 guide and, seeing that the volunteer who wrote his name down for it hasn't been around in like a month, left the TourGuide Recorder addon running the whole time. Would anyone like the LUA file to put the guide together?

    nlx3647's picture

    Icecrown 79-80

    Last week I spent time to go through Icecrown and get as many quests done as possible, while putting as much info into Tourguide as possible. Here for review and improvement. It got me the Icecrown quest achievement.

    http://www.theamazonbasin.com/~nlx3647/000_79_80_NLX_Icecrown.lua

    Clearasil's picture

    I've updated the guide for

    I've updated the guide for the Orc/Troll starter area from Zerinj: http://files.filefront.com/13307627

    I added coords for every step and fixed some mistakes.

    Edit: Bah, I click on reply when I don't want to reply and when I want to add a comment I click on reply...

    Jame's picture

    I guess that will be a nice

    I guess that will be a nice placeholder until my paper version is released Smiling

    Clearasil's picture

    I just finished doing the

    I just finished doing the TourGuide format of SilverKnight's Silverpine: http://files.filefront.com/SilverKnightSilverpinezip/;13303960;/fileinfo.html

    I know Kwaice was in the WIP list, but as I was going to start a undead rogue anyway, I decided to do the TourGuide thing anyway because I could test it and edit it while leveling.

    99% of the steps have coords for them, I have already tested and fixed some mistakes, but it could still use someone testing them to see everything is ok. I also added some rogue class quests as I was leveling a rogue ^^

    Missing Info for 30-40 Alliance guide

    I'm using the Tourguide version of your 30-40 Alliance leveling guide. It has been awesome and really follows the Internet version very closely. However, while I was on Ranazjar Isle, I did not get a reminder or anything to prompt me to kill Nagas until I got Karnitol's Satchel.

    Fortunately, I've followed these guides before and knew to look for it on the mobs in this area. But it was not in the guide, though later at Nigel's Point you are prompted to turn it in.

    I'll report anything else I find, but this was about it. Great job to whoever has converted the guide to this format.

    Jame's picture

    Big update

    Big Updates today!



    Alliance v0.5 changes:

    *Howling Fjord now COMPLETE! + Quality improved | Coder: Wizerd | Needs further testing
    *Minor fixes to Maw's 12-20 | Jame / Mishab
    *Minor fixes Taralom's 1-12 | Mishab
    *Fixed the bug with the Dustwallow Marsh 38-41 section - Should load properly now | Mishab



    Horde v0.2 changes:

    *Added Jame's 31-41 | Coder: Clearasil | Needs testing
    *Added Jame's 41-51 | Coder: Plover2 | Needs testing
    *Added Snowflake's Blood Elf 1-12 | Coder: Inyurbak | Needs testing
    *Added Zerinj's Orc/Troll 1-12 | Coder: Clearasil | Needs testing
    *Added Manovan's Undead Starter | Coder: Romgar | Needs testing
    *Added Hosho's Barrens 12-20 | Coder: Clearasil | Needs testing
    *Fixed file names. Please follow this naming format from now on.
    *Fixed file names INSIDE the files. Please follow this naming format from now on.


    Enjoy. Please test them well and leave feedback!

    Clearasil's picture

    I see Blade's Edge mountains

    I see Blade's Edge mountains for Horde is not included in the list. I usually use rested bonus to level, so I mostly ding lvl 70 in Nagrand, but I imagine there are people that don't Sticking out tongue Might be an idea to include Blade's Edge Mountains in the list? (My realms' name, yay!)

    Jame's picture

    I'd gladly add it to the

    I'd gladly add it to the list, but we need someone to code it first Sticking out tongue

    Horde Stonetalon Mountains (21-22) Fix

    The first quest you should get is actually:

    A Cry of the Thunderhawk |QID|913|
    C Cry of the Thunderhawk |QID|913| |N|Get out of Camp Taurajo and look for a Thunderhawk. They are easy to find all around the camp. Kill them until you get Thunderhawk Wings.|
    T Cry of the Thunderhawk |QID|913|

    Just append this right after "R Camp Taurajo".

    Horde Guide 31-41 Dustwallow

    Horde Guide 31-41 Dustwallow Marsh:

    We are told to accept signs of treachery, but there's no arrow and I've got no idea where to get that quest...

    Clearasil's picture

    I noticed that too. I'm

    I noticed that too. I'm currently adding coords for the steps that need them while I'm leveling my shaman, I will post a link with the fixed file('s) soon.

    I would also appreciate if people pm me missing coords for steps that need them. Please mention the quest (or step name). I would eventually do this myself, but it could be a while before I level a Orc/troll in Dutotar, or the Barrens for example.

    Edit: Updated. Here is the new link: http://files.filefront.com/WoW+ProAddonzip/;13276865;/fileinfo.html
    Added coords and fixed bugs for the following files:
    39_40_Dustwallow_Marsh_Jame_3141.lua
    40_41_Arathi_Highlands_Jame_3141.lua
    41_41_Badlands_Jame_3141.lua
    41_41_Swamp_of_Sorrows_4151.lua
    41_42_Badlands_Jame_4151.lua

    Alliance Hellfire Guide suggests buying "Maiden's Anguish".

    ... from reagent vendor. This item is no longer available (Rogue poisons don't need reagents anymore).

    Clearasil's picture

    At Ashenvale (levels 26-27)

    At Ashenvale (levels 26-27) the step where turn in your Deadly Blunderbuss for Warsong Saw Blades doesn't autocomplete.

    |N|Talk to Pixel, (...) your Deadly Blunderbuss.| |L|16742|
    

    I wouldn't know what is wrong with this line, but maybe someone else does.

    Edit: The guide also doesn't say to turn in the quest Satyr Horns at the end.

    Jame's picture

    I think this line doesn't

    I think this line doesn't autocomplete because there's no quantity value in the |L| tag.

    It should be |L|16742 1| instead

    Clearasil's picture

    I just finished the 41-51

    I just finished the 41-51 conversion of Jame's guides. All guides have a Guides.xml file included that adds the guides in TourGuide's list, to save the clueless testers some pain Eye

    Guides I've done so far:
    Zerinj's Dutortar 01-12
    Hosho's Barrens 12-20
    Jame's Leveling Guide 31-41
    Jame's Leveling Guide 41-51

    And to make it even easier for you I zipped all these guides into one file with Manovan's Tirisfal Glades Guide included (Not converted by me): http://files.filefront.com/WoW+ProAddonzip/;13276865;/fileinfo.html

    (All these files go into the World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\WoW-Pro_TourGuide_Horde directory)

    Alliance Borean Tundra guide

    Borean Tundra guide works great! Just did it on my Rogue without any trouble at all =}

    Maw's 12-20

    Am I the only person who can't seem to find Maw's 12-20 redridge guide? I get 12-20 Boston's guide split into zones, but I can't find Maw's guide. I got the new guide package and new Tourguide.

    Various guides

    I just started leveling my Ally DK. I've used your guides several times to level several different alts. I had previously tried the Tour Guide addon guides with my undead warlock in Zangarmarsh. It was not close to your guide so I disabled it and went on as I had just alt-tabbing over.

    I figured I'd give it another chance with my DK when I started Hellfire. So I redownloaded Tour Guide, the two databases and dove right in. Well, I must say I was kind of disappointed. I know the people who converted your guides for Tour Guide did it out of the kindness of their hearts, and I want to say I appreciate it. However, at least Ally side, the Tour Guide guide for Hellfire is not even close. It changes on the second step, and after looking a bit it never seemed to catch up. For example, in step 2 you tell us go kill the orcs, step 2 in the addon tells us to go to Sergeant Altumus. No big deal. Your next step is to turn in those two quests. The addon sends us to turn the quests to the Sergeant, then after getting The Path of Anguish it sends us to kill the orcs from your second step, and gather the metal and wood. Then we go do The Path of Anguish, turn it in, and then go to Expedition Point and start working on those quests.

    As you can see, it's not even close to your quest circuit.

    Is there some formatting I am missing when I installed? Or is the steps just put in differently?

    Yea make sure your not just

    Yea make sure your not just usng "Hellfire 70-72". Has to have James next to it.

    Are you sure you're using

    Are you sure you're using the WoWPro guide and not the defaults that come with Tourguide?

    Use your mousewheel to scroll all the way down...

    Whats the story with Alliance Dragonblight?

    Just wondering is there any progress on the Alliance Dragonblight guide. It has been almost a month it seems since Raistlan took it on and still no guide. I am just about to start in there now and I would be quite happy to do the dragonblight guide for alliance if for some reason he is unable to complete it at this point.

    Laotseu's picture

    Before you start your own,

    Before you start your own, please look at what I've done for Dragonblight and even Howling Fjord. I don't think they are as good as what I did for Grizzly Hills but I've already used them with two characters and I think they are pretty usable.

    I didn't upload them because Raislain had already put is name as maintainer and I though he was about to upload something soon(tm).

    Anyways, if anyone is interested, here are the links:

    http://code.google.com/p/armorcraft/source/browse/trunk/TourGuide_Jame_Alliance_Northrend/72_74_Howling_Fjord.lua
    http://code.google.com/p/armorcraft/source/browse/trunk/TourGuide_Jame_Alliance_Northrend/74_75_Dragonblight.lua

    Whenever I find error on them, I commit new versions in SVN. If you do try them and find problem, let me know.

    The name of the guide do not follow Jame's standard i.e. (WoW-Pro, -) because I also load WoW-Pro guides and I don't want to confuse them when I'm fooling around.

    Not to be disrespectful, but

    Not to be disrespectful, but after using about half of your Grizzly Hills guide so far, I wish you would spell check the descriptions and use proper grammar. :/

    It's also missing coordinates for about half of the goals, and doesn't note objectives that are to be done simultaneously. I just finished Howling Fjord and Dragonblight as well, and posted the Howling Fjord one in the main info page comments yesterday, but haven't posted Dragonblight's yet (I want to do a second run through on it first, with my other character).

    On that note (and this is a general question to anyone), what is the fascination with using coordinates in sentences? I know Jame did it in the online guide, but it made a lot more sense there. For these addons, the user is expected to have LightHeaded and TomTom (or some form of arrow pointer) installed, right? What I've been doing is simply listing the coordinates at the end of the note, after the sentence(s), and using the word "here" when referring to the spot. For example:

    "|N|Defeat "Crowleg" Dan on the ship here. (35.95,83.60)|"

    The player will get an arrow pointing to "Crowleg" Dan's location almost exactly (as close as double decimal coordinates can get), and there is an explanation of what you're doing for the quest. Every complete quest has an explanation to go along with it, even those that don't seem like they would require one, such as "Kill 10 Kobold Vermin here" (if I were writing a human lv1-12 guide). That way, if the user happens to forget what he or she is doing, or they log out mid-quest and back in, they can easily be reminded.

    And when there are quest objectives to be completed simultaneously, I will note every following quest objective in each note. For example (in primitive form):

    Objective 1: "collect Frostberries off the ground, kill Dr. Louis, kill scourge mobs, kill ancients."
    Objective 2: "Kill Dr. Louis, kill scourge mobs, kill ancients."
    Objective 3: "Kill scourge mobs, kill ancients."
    Objective 4. "Kill ancients."

    This way, the user can remind themselves of what they are doing if they either forget, or log out and back in. When I started writing the ones I did, I basically thought this was going to be the general convention for writing them - keep them the same quality as Jame's online guides - but they haven't been. The outland ones were good, but they didn't follow this convention really, for the most part. :/

    Maybe I'm just being too picky... But when I have to open my quest log and read the quest to figure out what I'm doing, I sometimes wonder why I have the addon loaded.

    Multiple quest in same area

    The way I did these guides was to pick an objective that was in the middle of a mess of mobs to kill. Like take out the chieftain so and so in the middle of a camp. knowing full well that part of the kill so many quest was going to be worked on just by going into the camp. After the kill the chief objective I would place the other one, which sometimes auto completes because you had to fight your way into the camp.

    In short... same area objectives
    Kill single mob
    Gather objectives
    then kill so many if it hasn't been filled yet (tourguide won't even show this if it has been done)

    I still think it's worth

    I still think it's worth mentioning all the objectives at the beginning, especially for the later Outland guides and the later Northrend ones. In those two cases, people may be a couple levels higher than the guide says and will have flyers. This makes it easy to accidentally skip efficient routes because they can just fly right to them and had no idea without looking ahead.

    Also, stealth classes, thinking they can just go in and kill the single mob and stealth out, might get frustrated as well.

    I still think it's worth

    Noted and paradigm shifted. TY having only done the starter areas with the talents of none, I easily missed the challenges of writing guides for toons that can do just what you stated. I think the "from now on.. kill" works as a single note before setting out to do a series of quests. Main reason so too minimize the notes on the guide that you have to manually click off, more automatic the faster we power level Eye